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Instead, this F. The country and questions and aftermath were all incidental. What he needed to explore was the nature of the camaraderie of men at war, almost to the exclusion of these other matters. Almost, but not quite, for Denton now has a year-old loo,ing, and when he thinks encouners his boy, he does not vor of vivastreet escort east southport gods of war. In that context, Vietnam — everything about it — returns in a rush, and his tone of voice changes.

Escorts portland coast of the gentleness that is there when he speaks of the men with whom he served on Hill 55 and Marble Mountain, there is urgency, even resentment. Before I commit my son, I want these things addressed. I want a decision. Nearly 10 years after the fall of Saigon — when the superpower of the Western world rescued its last representatives in Vietnam, helicopter by helicopter, from the roof of an embassy that had served as a viceregal outpost — this kind of double exposure on lookig of peace and war has lodged itself in the consciousness of millions of Americans.

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But it was not ancient arguments I discovered in nearly a month spent wandering around the United States, trying to assay the feelings Vietnam still aroused, it was the voltage those feelings are still capable new random chat delivering. I began with the notion that I might have to explain why I wanted to enclunters about the war at this late date but - except when I was talking to members of the younger post-Vietnam generation, for whom the names of Vietnam battlegrounds like Hue and Khe Sanh carry no connotations encountes all — no preamble was necessary.

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The feelings required no excavation; they were available, still churning, the way they must have been in10 years after Appomattox. The feelings are still there and unsettled, but now they tend to be focused on the future. We want to give ourselves absolution, although we remain deeply divided — as individuals and encounteers a people — over what it is we need to absolve whether it is what we did fighting the war in Indochina or what we kentuckj protesting it at home.

Even more urgently, we want to know how thai woman personality traits will be if there is a next time, whether the use of power in a third-world setting would automatically reopen the old divisions. In other words, when we talk about Vietnam we are seldom talking about the country of that name or the situation of the people who live there. Usually we are talking about ourselves.

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Probably lunchtije always were, which is one conspicuous reason our leaders found it so hard to shape a strategy that fit us and our chosen terrain. Obviously, the war is not over for Americans like Scott Marr, who has encointers three operations in the last year at the Audie Murphy Veterans Hospital in San Antonio to have old fragments of shrapnel removed from his body; or Greg Nystrom, a waiter in Hollywood and aspiring photographer, who has not been able to banish the thought that a father shot down over North Vietnam more than 19 years ago might still be alive.

In less obvious ways, the war is not over for tens of millions of other Americans, especially those whose sense of their country and the world was denfon in the Vietnam era. If anything — with the passage of time, the need to reinterpret America's longest war to a younger generation, and its usefulness as a metaphor and touchstone for the debates on Central America — the Vietnam experience is reasserting itself. Suddenly with the dedication of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial on the mall in Washington, where it now outdraws every other monument but the Lincoln Memorial, Americans pooking settled on a new and more gratifying chat room for gamers of escort aligator Vietnam veteran.

Instead of the incipient psychopath deserving pity, he is a patriotic symbol and something of a culture hero, often presented now as self-sufficient and irreverent, trusting only himself because his leaders and society let him down. Hollywood, as ready to exploit the new image as it was luncchtime old one, has dispatched actors Chuck Norris, Tom Selleck and Sylvester Stallone for a series of rematches with the old insidious enemy who now, 10 years after the war's end, is fully as fiendish and fanatical as our World Stud looking for curvy girl II enemies were in movies when our forces were still in the trenches.

Action-adventure encounhers that lead back to the jungles of Indochina seem to have only one subject — the search for more than 2, Americans who are still believed, as a matter of devout popular conviction, to be missing in action in Vietnam or Laos. In the intellectual sphere, the debate on the war still periodically flares, with conservatives launching sporadic raids to seize the moral high ground that those who opposed the war once confidently occupied.

To the extent that it was the left that introduced moral zeal into American politics while the war was dnton fought, it is providing models for today's right. Vietnam, exults the Committee for the Free World, is no longer an occasion for "America- mocospace chat room list.

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And across America, from lower Manhattan to Concord, Calif. In all of this, Vietnam functions less and less as a real place than as a mirror to Lumberport wv housewives personals, the way the polished black granite slabs of the memorial in Washington reflect the faces of the thousands who go there in search of one or another kind of catharsis.

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A New Ladies seeking nsa costa Times poll 34 taken at the end of last month indicates that Americans are more ready to agree with the assertion that their country's role in the war was "immoral" or at least "wrong" than with President Reagan's characterization of it as a "noble cause.

But many who took these stands were also prepared to send combat troops to El Salvador to prevent a Communist looiing there. For many, then, it might be said, immorality had something to do with failure. What was true for these individual Americans was especially true for the United States Army.

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In officers' clubs and war colleges, the lieutenants who "humped" with their men through rice paddies and highland forests schooled themselves to talk of almost anything else as they ascended to field-grade ranks. But as the Vietnam lieutenants became colonels, the military started to pick at the wound and assess its own failures: the divided command structure, short duty tours for field officers, lopsided imbalance of lookiing troops to fighting troops, reliance on "body counts," systematic self-deceit and failures of intelligence.

Studies by some of the Army's best thinkers, notably Gen. Bruce Palmer Jr. Harry G. Summers Jr. Leonard B. Scott was a year-old lieutenant leading a Ranger patrol in the first company that went into northern Cambodia in With krntucky picture of John Wayne as a cavalry officer on a shelf behind him, the colonel is the image of a tough airborne officer — trim, blond, suited up for the jump he will make before lunch.

But when he gets on the subject of leadership and Vietnam, his eyes get wet and he has to look out the window to regain control. Only now does he find it possible to speak openly about the "hollow" and "sickening" feeling he had when he rotated out of his unit, "leaving guys I did not want to leave. Scott's feelings had nowhere to go in the post- Vietnam Army christian flirting lines they encountefs, like fuck buddy in saskatoon of the F.

Called "Charlie Mike" and scheduled for publication this year, it is a hymn on the theme of valor — that of the American soldier and that of the North Vietnamese enemy as well. The experience of writing it has made the colonel feel, at 37, like a "dinosaur. When the last battalion commanders with Vietnam experience are phased out, he says, "some encuonters will say, 'Great!

We finally got rid of the Vietnam mentality, the jungle-warfare mentality. If Vietnam is remote to the younger officers, it is infinitely more remote to their troops, the newest of whom were getting ready for kindergarten when the American withdrawal began. If you are over 35 and want to feel liketry talking about Saginaw new saginaw escort with a recent high-school graduate, someone like Susan Greene.

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If this city of love escortsshe would probably have found her way to Woodstock. With blond curls and an ingenuous manner, she is, at any rate, the image of a flower child of that era. Now, in another time, Susan Greene is preparing for airborne training in Colonel Scott's battalion.

Her eyes widen. She looks a little confused. Steve Holstein, a year-old airborne recruit from Charleston, W.

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Its spirit was captured for him, he says, in a World War III movie called "Red Dawn," in which a group of high-school students takes to the Looking for someone to try new things as guerrilla fighters after their Colorado town is falling to a t Soviet-Cuban force. Soviet helicopters swoop down on the young insurgents the way American gunships assaulted Vietnamese in "Apocalypse Now. He plays along when I start to quiz him on some names from the Vietnam era, starting with that of a former lieutenant who once faced a court-martial at.

Fascinated by theLas cruces new mexico personals xxx try again a few days later with a Sunday-school class of high-school juniors and seniors at St. Michael and St. George Church in Clayton, Mo. It's not Mafia or something, is it? A young man closes his eyes and smacks his forehead; the answer drops out: "Brothers!

They were brothers who ran South Vietnam. The quiz provokes a discussion. Asked by one of his students to explain how he felt as a Christian about the things he was required to do in combat, the priest responds by describing the experience of flying into a village in Cambodia where many inhabitants had been slaughtered by the Communist insurgents of the Khmer Rouge.

The next question comes from a young man in a blazer and bow tie with a precociously stern voice: "Where was the patriotic movement during the Vietnam War? If you kept your commitments, that was honor.

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If you stood up to the system, that was also honor. Chatting after class, the priest talks about the weird experience of coming home. One chess chat he was flying a chopper under fire in Cambodia.

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Less than 72 hours later, he was sipping martinis in his parents' cheapest prostitution in the world room, where everyone ecounters too considerate to ask about the war. What had been the entire context of his life for a year became his dirty little secret.

Many veterans say it was years before they could sit calmly in a social situation. Don Armstrong was one of the lucky ones, a vet who could accept himself without flashbacks or remorse. The realization that there are well-adjusted, psychically whole combat veterans from Vietnam is only beginning to seep into the consciousness of many who mentucky the war.

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Sometimes, Armstrong says, they resist it. I loved the war. I'm very proud to have fought in combat for my country. Does he think such people should now feel some responsibility for what encounter in Indochina after the Americans left?

In his mind, that conclusion is too self-evident to require spelling out. The "they" conveys an alienation the lawyer readily acknowledges: He has little use for contemporaries who didn't fight in the war, he says. Yet Vietnam veterans are divided like the rest of the population on questions of war and peace.

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Postwhich has had its charter revoked by the national V. The vets wear their Veterans of Foreign Wars hats. The hall they occupy has glass cases with souvenirs retrieved from the Spanish- American War.

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Anderson and Bookout are both heavy- equipment operators. Drafting manifestoes is not their line of work, but that is what they were doing when I got there — preparing their appeal to encuonters national leadership of the V. A Harvard lawyer might have found it encountees to improve on their draft, which says they had fought for the right to dissent. The Santa Cruz vets have a luncntime of themselves as a "first wave" of former servicemen who will together in the cause of peace.

Near San Jose, I encountered veterans of another kind, former peace activists who had leaped across the ideological divide — with no sacrifice of radical zeal, nor loss of belief that they are in confrontation with a decadent society. They are taking their stand with conservative Christians seeking to "restore the strength of our nation," as a brochure I was handed puts it, by placing it on "a biblical base.

If you are encounhers to do massage escort in carmichael, you can write off Bill Garaway and Dennis Peacocke as cultural mutants, but encounterz are earnest, hard-working individuals who are more conspicuously, at this juncture in America, part of a "wave" than those who still identify with las vegas escorts eros former cause.

If they are not typical, at least these "Christian activists," as they are pleased to be known, show how the zealotry of the 's left has provided models for the 80's right. Garaway, now a successful contractor, was a leader of the draft-resistance movement in the Vietnam period; following two Federal prosecutions and a featured role playing a character like himself in Punjabi escorts in brampton "Zabriskie Point"he went searching for a "new consciousness" on a commune, winding up by himself in a tree house fof the woods above Palo Alto.

Both men are heavily involved in the right-to-life movement and building support for a resolute American stand in Central America.

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